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		<title>By: Ken-ichi</title>
		<link>http://www.localoaf.org/2007/01/01/what-are-you-optimistic-about/comment-page-1/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken-ichi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably something along the lines of, &quot;SEVEN.  My beard is itchy.  EIGHT.  My beard is itchy.  NINE...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably something along the lines of, &#8220;SEVEN.  My beard is itchy.  EIGHT.  My beard is itchy.  NINE&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: k7lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>k7lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alas, i never took sapolsky&#039;s undergraduate class when i had the chance.  i&#039;ve got a copy of &quot;why zebras don&#039;t get ulcers&quot; on my shelf, which i&#039;ve only read part of.  do you ever get guilty for neglecting a book, and then hearing its theses from other people, which causes you to neglect the book further?  

while i had a job at the gym, i would see prof. sapolsky work out.  i always wondered what he was thinking about when he did pull-ups, given his special insights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alas, i never took sapolsky&#8217;s undergraduate class when i had the chance.  i&#8217;ve got a copy of &#8220;why zebras don&#8217;t get ulcers&#8221; on my shelf, which i&#8217;ve only read part of.  do you ever get guilty for neglecting a book, and then hearing its theses from other people, which causes you to neglect the book further?  </p>
<p>while i had a job at the gym, i would see prof. sapolsky work out.  i always wondered what he was thinking about when he did pull-ups, given his special insights.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken-ichi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken-ichi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>k7, I think that was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://edge.org/q2005/q05_print.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;best (first?) Edge question&lt;/a&gt;, and certainly got a ton of media coverage.  I seem to recall several of those pieces concerning the non-existence of free will, which was interesting.  My favorite, though, was &lt;a href=&quot;http://edge.org/q2005/q05_9.html#sapolsky&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robert Sapolsky&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, of course, it is tempting to go for something like, &quot;That the wheel, agriculture, and the Macarena were all actually invented by yetis.&quot; Or to do the sophomoric pseudo-ironic logic twist of, &quot;That every truth can eventually be proven.&quot; Or to get up my hackles, draw up to my full height and intone, &quot;Sir, we scientists believe in nothing that cannot be proven by the whetstone of science, verily our faith is our lack of faith,&quot; and then go off in a lab coat and a huff.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sapolsky&#039;s books are also great, highly recommended, esp. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Primates-Memoir-Robert-M-Sapolsky/dp/0743202473/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;A Primate&#039;s Memoir&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>k7, I think that was the <a href="http://edge.org/q2005/q05_print.html" rel="nofollow">best (first?) Edge question</a>, and certainly got a ton of media coverage.  I seem to recall several of those pieces concerning the non-existence of free will, which was interesting.  My favorite, though, was <a href="http://edge.org/q2005/q05_9.html#sapolsky" rel="nofollow">Robert Sapolsky&#8217;s</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, of course, it is tempting to go for something like, &#8220;That the wheel, agriculture, and the Macarena were all actually invented by yetis.&#8221; Or to do the sophomoric pseudo-ironic logic twist of, &#8220;That every truth can eventually be proven.&#8221; Or to get up my hackles, draw up to my full height and intone, &#8220;Sir, we scientists believe in nothing that cannot be proven by the whetstone of science, verily our faith is our lack of faith,&#8221; and then go off in a lab coat and a huff.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sapolsky&#8217;s books are also great, highly recommended, esp. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Primates-Memoir-Robert-M-Sapolsky/dp/0743202473/" rel="nofollow"><i>A Primate&#8217;s Memoir</i></a>.</p>
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		<title>By: k7lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>k7lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m optimistic about localoaf... good reads here :)

re: Minsky via Yiming, I saw a decent, if low-budget, series of short films called &quot;Robot Stories&quot; @ the Asian Film Festival a few years back.  One of the more compelling shorts is about a couple who&#039;s been backing their consciousnesses up for centuries, to guard against the physical failures of their mortal bodies.  do we need to feel a sense of loss to be fully human?  will we ever have a high-enough resolution recording device that will render loss obsolete?  what cannot be recorded and &quot;memorized?&quot;

i was just recently exposed to the edge annual questions when i picked up this book: http://www.amazon.com/What-Believe-but-Cannot-Prove/dp/0060841818

&quot;What Do You Believe, But Cannot Prove?&quot;

highly recommended, i&#039;ll loan it to anyone who wants it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m optimistic about localoaf&#8230; good reads here <img src='http://www.localoaf.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>re: Minsky via Yiming, I saw a decent, if low-budget, series of short films called &#8220;Robot Stories&#8221; @ the Asian Film Festival a few years back.  One of the more compelling shorts is about a couple who&#8217;s been backing their consciousnesses up for centuries, to guard against the physical failures of their mortal bodies.  do we need to feel a sense of loss to be fully human?  will we ever have a high-enough resolution recording device that will render loss obsolete?  what cannot be recorded and &#8220;memorized?&#8221;</p>
<p>i was just recently exposed to the edge annual questions when i picked up this book: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/What-Believe-but-Cannot-Prove/dp/0060841818" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/What-Believe-but-Cannot-Prove/dp/0060841818</a></p>
<p>&#8220;What Do You Believe, But Cannot Prove?&#8221;</p>
<p>highly recommended, i&#8217;ll loan it to anyone who wants it.</p>
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		<title>By: Yiming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yiming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 07:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite interesting, some of these.  Although, optimism, or wishful thinking.

Ah, then there are the obligatory AI pipedrea...ahem... visions in there.  Marvin Minsky, a celebrity AI academic if there ever was one, describes immortality by cybernetics, downloading/backing up the information contents of human brains into machines and augmenting failure-prone organics with mechanical parts.  Going along with the semi-fantasy, a direct mind-machine information interface would go a long way toward alleviating the lossy nature of human-computer interaction.  A request to the machine to &quot;do what I mean&quot; could be made far more literally.

Jordan Pollack starts with your basic intelligent agent that learns from user feedback and concludes with digital sentience through self-evolving software, slanting decidedly toward the non-symbolic approach to AI.  Seeing that Skynet hasn&#039;t arisen from the orderly and carefully crafted databases of Cyc, perhaps there&#039;s something to the non-logical, throw-everything-at-it-and-make-it-learn-somehow approach.  I just don&#039;t know what, besides a lot of hand-waving.

Terrence Sejnowski proclaims that a breakthrough in understanding intelligence is &quot;just around the corner.&quot;  We&#039;ve been hearing this for a while now, though.  That corner seems rather impregnable so far.  Statistical learning algorithms only seem to go so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite interesting, some of these.  Although, optimism, or wishful thinking.</p>
<p>Ah, then there are the obligatory AI pipedrea&#8230;ahem&#8230; visions in there.  Marvin Minsky, a celebrity AI academic if there ever was one, describes immortality by cybernetics, downloading/backing up the information contents of human brains into machines and augmenting failure-prone organics with mechanical parts.  Going along with the semi-fantasy, a direct mind-machine information interface would go a long way toward alleviating the lossy nature of human-computer interaction.  A request to the machine to &#8220;do what I mean&#8221; could be made far more literally.</p>
<p>Jordan Pollack starts with your basic intelligent agent that learns from user feedback and concludes with digital sentience through self-evolving software, slanting decidedly toward the non-symbolic approach to AI.  Seeing that Skynet hasn&#8217;t arisen from the orderly and carefully crafted databases of Cyc, perhaps there&#8217;s something to the non-logical, throw-everything-at-it-and-make-it-learn-somehow approach.  I just don&#8217;t know what, besides a lot of hand-waving.</p>
<p>Terrence Sejnowski proclaims that a breakthrough in understanding intelligence is &#8220;just around the corner.&#8221;  We&#8217;ve been hearing this for a while now, though.  That corner seems rather impregnable so far.  Statistical learning algorithms only seem to go so far.</p>
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